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koltipelto
9 years agoHelpful | Level 5
Possible conflict with Dropbox and Trend Micro (Dropbox freezing)
I have dropbox business, I will not say every computer, but half of the company's computers are crashing.
At first I thought it could be a driver, a virus, or even a windows 10 error. I got to ...
- 9 years ago
Hi Jane, thanks for your reply. I've simply turned off the selective sync feature and that has resolved the issue. If I have time, I'll turn it back on and see if the problem returns.
Thanks. - 8 years ago
I would like to update that the problem resolved on our side now and here is the steps taken.
- Clean up the registry
- Uninstall and Install back Dropbox
- Uninstall and Install back Worry Free Business Security
------- Added Dropbox program files path in Approved List (just in case)
Also device speed improved quite a bit. We did not reinstall the windows.
Environment
- Windows 10 Pro (64-bit)
- Worry Free Business Security Services (Trend Micro)
I hope it helps to someone.
- 8 years ago
The issue has been resolved by Trend Micro and we have confirmed that the Trend Micro fix worked and no longer have a freeze on start when Dropbox is set to run at startup as well. For reference, the Virus Pattern that contains the fix is 14.287.00.
Thanks to all of the users that reported this!
heimburg
8 years agoNew member | Level 2
Wanted to add some info on this for the developers...
We're also experiencing freeze-ups with our business plan. We use selective sync and we have a very large number of files (a million or so). The crashes started a few months ago, and I'm not sure what the impetus was. It took a long time to figure out our different crashes on different machines were caused by dropbox.
Sometimes the mouse cursor (and the rest of the machine) will freeze up for a few seconds. And sometimes that freeze-up becomes permanent, requiring a hard-reboot to fix the crash.
Recently we've found that that reducing Max CPU Usage from 100% to 85% fixes the freeze ups. (This is an advanced Power Plan option -- in control panel, power options, edit the power plan, then Change advanced power settings, and find the Processor power management options.)
This workaround has fixed the problem on several machines, and I can't really fathom why. We're game developers so we have lots of hardware on hand, and we had this problem with both AMD and Intel CPUs, and several kinds of motherboards. (None overclocked, and mostly all new hardware.) So it seems unlikely to be a hardware-specific problem, but the crashes leave no obviously-useful information in the event log, so it doesn't seem like a driver is crashing either.
Can this info be passed along to the developers? This is a pretty severe bug, and I'm hoping we can offer a clue for them. Keeping our CPUs capped isn't a permanently viable answer, although it works for now.
We're also experiencing freeze-ups with our business plan. We use selective sync and we have a very large number of files (a million or so). The crashes started a few months ago, and I'm not sure what the impetus was. It took a long time to figure out our different crashes on different machines were caused by dropbox.
Sometimes the mouse cursor (and the rest of the machine) will freeze up for a few seconds. And sometimes that freeze-up becomes permanent, requiring a hard-reboot to fix the crash.
Recently we've found that that reducing Max CPU Usage from 100% to 85% fixes the freeze ups. (This is an advanced Power Plan option -- in control panel, power options, edit the power plan, then Change advanced power settings, and find the Processor power management options.)
This workaround has fixed the problem on several machines, and I can't really fathom why. We're game developers so we have lots of hardware on hand, and we had this problem with both AMD and Intel CPUs, and several kinds of motherboards. (None overclocked, and mostly all new hardware.) So it seems unlikely to be a hardware-specific problem, but the crashes leave no obviously-useful information in the event log, so it doesn't seem like a driver is crashing either.
Can this info be passed along to the developers? This is a pretty severe bug, and I'm hoping we can offer a clue for them. Keeping our CPUs capped isn't a permanently viable answer, although it works for now.
Rob21
8 years agoExplorer | Level 3
We are also having this problem with a couple of machines. They have the latest Win10 updates, latest hardware updates including BIOS.
If Dropbox is enabled for startup, the computer will freeze within a few minutes. If it is disabled, the computer performs as expected and then Dropbox can be started manually.
Thanks for the input heimburg - this provides more info on what we've seen and thanks to this thread I'll be checking selective sync on these computers.
- Jane8 years ago
Dropbox Staff
Hey Rob21, thanks for posting us here regarding the issue you’ve experienced on your desktop, I’ll do my best to work with you towards a fix!Of course, applying Selective sync for the content you’d like to keep on your account online (though don’t necessarily need locally) would be a great starting point, though I’d rather further advise after checking your account details.As I’d like to help you on the matter as much as possible, I’ve made sure to run a search on our system on my end, I’ve located your newest open ticket & I’ve made sure to reply to you there. This way, I’ll send you the most appropriate next steps based on the info I have on my tools & help you reach a resolution as quickly as possible.Whenever you find some time, please check your inbox for my email & I’ll make sure to promptly follow-up with you from where we’ve left off here.Thanks again & I’ll be awaiting your next email, so as to move forward on the matter together! - binary8 years agoHelpful | Level 6
I am having the same issue and it is Windows 10 with latest update and pretty reasonable specification. I have been working on from 3-4 days and once disabled the Dropbox from Start Up then the laptop is fine otherwise it freezes in a minute from startup. You do not get chance to do anything.
Tried all the steps but no real luck, even reducing the processory from 100% to 85% but issue remains.
so really waiting to get this resolved or we might have to use ulternate solutions.
- Jane8 years ago
Dropbox Staff
Hello again, I hope my message finds you well!Initially, it’s my understanding, that binary refers to dflord’s Solution in the first page Rob21. Can you please let me know if I'm right in my assumption binary?Following, because I understand that you'd need further assistance on this issue binary, I’ve made sure to run a search on our system on my end & I’ve located your open ticket. In order to expedite matters, I’ve raised your support priority internally & I’ve notified my colleague handling the issue on your comments here.Please check your inbox for their latest message & include all relevant info on that discussion, so as to check your account info based on the details we have on our tools.Rest assured that you’re in safe hands from now on & I hope this gets resolved soon for you. Welcome to our Dropbox Community! - Johnwho928 years agoNew member | Level 2
I'm having the same issue on a customers PC i disabled it from startup and manually opening it later and now the computer isnt freezing.
not an ideal solution but atleast they can use the computer :upside_down:
Using Windows 10, Trend Micro AV - binary8 years agoHelpful | Level 6
You are right Jane, after gone through this Blog and as it says "Solved" but did not help me at all. In our case it was not Windows latest Feature update 1803 as this started happening before.
In our case, the anti-virus ie Worry Free Business Security Services (Trend Micro) and Dropbox conflicting to a level that its making the device to freeze. Either disabled the Dropbox from Startup or Uninstallation of Trend help resolved the probelm straight.
I will be reinstalling the Trend Again and see if it helps.
- Rob218 years agoExplorer | Level 3
Interesting. All of the problems we are having include Trend Micro WFBS-Services and Dropbox. The workaround is to disable Dropbox on startup and manually start a minute or two later.
- binary8 years agoHelpful | Level 6Hi Rob21,
Starting manually after a minute or two later does not help as in our instance it was still freezing. And very hard to expect from the end-user to do it. - Rob218 years agoExplorer | Level 3
Yes - understand that we can't rely on end users.
I'm going to work at this from both ends and have started communication with Trend Micro.
- binary8 years agoHelpful | Level 6
I would like to update that the problem resolved on our side now and here is the steps taken.
- Clean up the registry
- Uninstall and Install back Dropbox
- Uninstall and Install back Worry Free Business Security
------- Added Dropbox program files path in Approved List (just in case)
Also device speed improved quite a bit. We did not reinstall the windows.
Environment
- Windows 10 Pro (64-bit)
- Worry Free Business Security Services (Trend Micro)
I hope it helps to someone.
- Rob218 years agoExplorer | Level 3
Thanks. What did you use to clean the registry?
- binary8 years agoHelpful | Level 6CC Cleaner.
But I understand it is more to do with Trend Micro. - Rob218 years agoExplorer | Level 3
OK - will try on an affected machine.
Strange that one of the laptops is brand new and has only just had both Dropbox and Trend Micro WFBS installed. The registry should be clean.
- Jane8 years ago
Dropbox Staff
Thanks to all for your prompt updates on the matter here, it was really helpful as it seems that there’s a software conflict that’s been affecting your devices’ performance.I’ve made a note of all your comments & troubleshooting steps & I’v also made sure to Accept binary's latest reply as a Solution, since he’s mentioned that the set of steps he’s posted above has worked for him this time.Additionally, as we’re working on that together on our email correspondence Rob21, please check your inbox for my latest message at your convenience & let me know here if you have any issues locating it.Once again, I appreciate your valuable input here! - Ross_S8 years ago
Dropbox Staff
Hi folks,
I just wanted to post here to acknowledge that we are looking into a possible conflict with Trend Micro. I'll reach out to a few of you via email with extra debugging steps.
Many thanks for spotting the issue!
- DLZPDave8 years agoExplorer | Level 4We are experiencing the same issue on all our computers with dp and trend micro. I would like to be kept up to date on a permanent solution. Currently we have disabled dp from startup and have the users start it manually.
- Lucio8 years ago
Dropbox Staff
The issue has been resolved by Trend Micro and we have confirmed that the Trend Micro fix worked and no longer have a freeze on start when Dropbox is set to run at startup as well. For reference, the Virus Pattern that contains the fix is 14.287.00.
Thanks to all of the users that reported this!
- DLZPDave8 years agoExplorer | Level 4
Thank You..much appreciated.
- mikemor228 years agoNew member | Level 2
Unfortunately, this hasn't worked for us. We have the issue on some machines (although not all) and for the affected PCs (my desktop included), the new patterns haven't solved it.
For information, I'm running pattern 14.295.00 ( updated 05/06/18 ) and Dropbox client v.51.3.65. I set my client to autostart and it caused the PC to hang again, so I've now had to set it back to manual.
- Ed8 years ago
Dropbox Staff
Hey mikemor22 - strange it's working on some PCs but not all. Assuming they're all under the same settings, we might need our tech team to investigate this further for you. Can you log a ticket on https://dropbox.com/support with the existing info so they can help investigate further?
You may also wanna do the same with Trend Micro as the issue was on their end. If you find any additional info that would be helpful to the community, feel free to post here!
Thanks
- Umaster8 years agoNew member | Level 2
This is also still happening for me.
I'm using virus pattern 14.309 with dropbox 51.4.66
- Umaster8 years agoNew member | Level 2This is not solved! as of 6/13/18 I have virus pattern 14.309
- Ross_S8 years ago
Dropbox Staff
Hi all,
Thank's for flagging that this isn't fixed for all, we'll loop back to Trend Micro and discuss it further with them.
Can those still hitting the issue confirm that they are running Trend Micro Worry Free Business - and have our Smart Sync?
I'll update here again once we have more to share.
Many thanks.
- iml8 years agoNew member | Level 2
Thanks Ross,
We have also logged a ticket with Trend in Australia as we had same issue in our company which started approx . June 15th - Look forward to any updates.
- binary8 years agoHelpful | Level 6
I would like to update that problem came back again few days back and eventually we just replace the Trend with another AV. As it was the only device with Trend, so easy to replace, as can not afford to spend time again and again. Client getting bit frustrated.
- iml8 years agoNew member | Level 2
Hi,
We tested a fix for the last two weeks over 30 PCs that has worked for us. It was advised by Trend. The core of the problem to me seems to be that because the Dropbox client is so file system and CPU intensive (across all cores) it is constantly causing red flags with the behaviour monitoring components of Trend and creating a vicious circle.
The below only exempts the specific executables, so you're Dropbox folders are still bein protected.
Add the following in the exclusion lists:
C:\Windows\System32\DbxSvc.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Dropbox\Update\DropboxUpdate.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Dropbox\Client\Dropbox.exe
*Antivirus/Antispyware
1) Go to your WFBS Services console
2) Under the Devices tab, click the group of the endpoint where you want to apply the exclusion
3) Click Configure Policy
4) Under Antivirus/Anti-spyware, click exclusions
5) Enable exclusions and include the path or file that you want to exclude
6) Click Save and wait for the agents to be notified
7) Verify that the file is excluded from being scanned
*Behavior Monitoring
1) Go to your WFBS Services console
2) Under the Devices tab, click the group of the endpoint where you want to apply the exclusion
3) Click Configure Policy
4) Under Behavior Monitoring, enable behavior monitoring
5) Add the full program path of the program/file that you want to exclude from scanning to the approved list
6) Click Save and wait for the agents to be notified
7) Verify that the file is excluded from being scanned
After adding the files indicated above on the Antivirus/Antispyware and Behavior Monitoring exclusion list, then please restart the machine and continue monitoring.
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